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Hi, thank you for joining the Empowered Relationship Podcast. I’m your host, Dr. Jessica Higgins, licensed psychologist and certified coach.

Today’s episode is 265, “How to break through relationship fears with your significant other”, an interview with Georgia Morley and Silver Storic.

Before we get started, I wanna just take a moment and center with you with a deep breath in, and a deep breath out. So often with one simple breath even we can tune in more deeply to our inner world, our inner experience, and with that awareness we can become more conscious and understanding of what’s going on… And therefore, we have a capacity to potentially regulate, or perhaps respond versus react; we can show clear cues to our significant other, we can give a real specific request. We can also reveal more deeply… All of which support us in being more skillful in negotiating our own inner world as we relate to someone else. So it’s twofold. It’s helping manage what’s going on internally, and also manage relationship with another.

On the Empowered Relationship podcast the intention is to support you in negotiating long-term relationship, navigating the ups and the downs with more awareness and skillfulness. Oftentimes, when we’re doing the best that we can, and sometimes we notice a reaction – perhaps we’re feeling threatened, insecure or inadequate, that can be a really important signpost, cues that indicate there’s feelings of unsafety, perhaps old traumas and wounds, or perhaps even an unmet need or a longing or a discontent. Again, when we can be more proactive in revealing that, our partner gets to see us, know us more deeply, and has more direct ability to cultivate intimacy with us. Because when we’re revealing and showing, they can show up for us. If we hide, conceal, deny, deflect, pretend, they actually have no idea what’s going on internally.

So a lot of this is incredibly challenging and can feel like a new frontier, a new territory that we’ve never experienced, especially when we have not known safety in relationship growing up. So the conversations that happen on this show are really designed to support you in managing all that gets potentially activated and evoked in relationship. And relationship can be such a beautiful teacher, and profound lessons can be gained through a leaning in, a turning towards these opportunities, that honestly on face value don’t feel so beautiful. They’re often terrifying. So this is the really growing ourselves, and it’s like growing up in a way that is really difficult work to do, and is so incredibly fulfilling.

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Dr. Jessica Higgins: Georgia Morley is an Emotional Resilience Coach,CBT, relationship mentor with over 10 years experience working with women around addiction, physical and emotional body health, developmental trauma and sexual reclamation after abuse.

Silver Storic is an Author and Mentor boldly showing up as a Global Connection Ambassador, leading workshops and keynotes on Radical Truth and recovery from codependency. Silver co-authored the Amazon bestseller Better Business, Better Life, Better World – The Movement.

Together, Georgia and Silver share their life’s work of freedom from codependent themes and painful relationship patterns that oppress relationships and keep couples from experiencing true intimacy in partnership.

Georgia and Silver, thank you for joining us today!

Silver Storic: It’s a real pleasure to be here, Jessica. Thank you for inviting us on  your incredible show.

Georgia Morley: Yeah, thank you so much. We’re really excited to contribute.

Dr. Jessica Higgins: I am just so grateful… I always love being able to speak with people that are in the work, doing the work and practicing their work themselves. For people that perhaps don’t know your work – I know we could probably spend the whole show talking about what you guys do… But I’m wondering if you can give people a sense of how you guys got engaged into this space of couples and helping couples expand their capacity and how they relate to each other… Let’s start there.

Georgia Morley: Beautiful question, thanks for asking that. Yeah, to be honest, it comes from a space of — for me, my greatest obstacle was my grandest opportunity, essentially. I for most of my life did not thrive in relationship – in the relationship to myself, in the relationship to lovers, partners… And I was married for a great deal of time.

In coming up against all the blocks to intimacy in relationship, I began to realize that there was such a  vast amount of women who suffered from this plight. It became evident in the ten years of coaching – I used to do coaching in holistic nutrition – that I needed to expand into a space where I was really supporting the whole experience for women; the whole experience of life. And that largely includes, of course, our intimate relationships.

So it became really clear pretty much the moment I  met Silver that this was the work that we were assigned to do together. And I mean that definitely with an air of magic to it. It became evident that this was something we needed to understand, work through and co-create, so that others could really live a life of fulfillment and love.

Silver Storic: And ironically for me, Jessica, when Georgia and I first met, I was completely done with relationships. [laughter]

Georgia Morley: Written them off completely.

Silver Storic: Yeah. I did not want to do another relationship…

Georgia Morley: Ever! [laughs]

Silver Storic: I could just handle just being friends with multiple women, and that will do me. That’s where I was in that space, when we first met in Bali. And then something special started to happen. These incredible conversations and dialogues started opening up as we started to unpack how we could do it differently than we’d done it before… And then we were like “Hm. Maybe we should record these conversations, because they’re really deep and insightful”, as we  navigated these new waters together. So we recorded every conversation, and that turned into our first book within the first three months meeting.

Then people just started showing up, asking for coaching. It was just like, “Wow, okay. There’s a channel that’s opened here.” So we just really trusted the channel, and 2,5 years later we’re still exploring this incredible adventure together.

Dr. Jessica Higgins: No kidding. So I wanna ask you guys – as I’m listening, it almost sounds like for you, Georgia, you never felt like you were thriving. So this sense of energy – I almost get a sense of dullness as you talk, and then Silver, for you, I don’t quite understand what you were writing off completely, but just being done, like it wasn’t working. And a lot of people get confronted with conventional ways, or the paradigm that we know of relationship that we feel really stuck in and blocked by… And it sounds like you guys were creating and co-creating (I love that term as well; I know you guys use that term), and that that awakens a new possibility… Am I hearing that right?

Georgia Morley: Yeah, absolutely… And I think just the word relationship has conditions and contexts, doesn’t it? You’re in relationship. And then of course, there’s the domestication of relationship. And there’s the conditions we place on that relationship, whether it’s with our mother, our brother, our partner… And so we knew that within those confines, our wounds really emerged in relationship. And we saw the opportunity to stare down those wounds in order to expand into our own unique expression of relationship… Because we knew that it didn’t  matter who we were with, those emotional developmental traumas, wounds, epigenetics, however you wanna spin it – they were gonna show up. So yeah, we had to really work to move beyond them and then create our own unique expression.

Silver Storic: Absolutely. And yeah, I felt very confined by the word relationship, and that’s why I was trying to break out of that box, because the truth is I would lose myself in relationship. I was very guilty of becoming the relationship; and what we later found out in our early journeying together is that there’s these three elements to relationships – there’s Georgia, there’s myself, and there’s our unique expression of relationship, which we affectionately called co-creationship, or co-creating magic in that moment together… And that’s really what got our juices flowing and really opened the door back up for me to explore this adventure with another person after that door being firmly shut from my past experiences.

Dr. Jessica Higgins: Yes… And in your bio, Georgia, you talk about trauma, and Silver, I think you’re talking about co-dependency, and I’m even hearing that in your description, that the wounds and perhaps traumas – and Georgia, as you were talking about, really supporting women in their whole experience, and the range of life and what we’re experiencing, and sometimes the limitations, or the cutting off, or the feeling like we need to be something, or again, the traumas and the wounds, and being able to… I love that it’s not — so often as humans we tend to block, or supress, or even repress when it’s painful. And while we can be successful in that, it doesn’t make those traumas or those wounds go away, and I think you said it really beautifully, Georgia, that any relationship, it doesn’t even really — I mean, it matters the person, but likely those wounds and traumas will get activated… Because it’s in us; the relationship is the mirror and the teacher, often… So I love that you’re saying it’s going through, the transformation… And when I’m hearing you talk, Silver, it sounds like having the ground and the permission and the authenticity and the transparency to hold ground, and then from there being able to attend to that shared space. And that looks really differently than perhaps following the scripts and the norms of what we’ve known.

Georgia Morley: Oh, absolutely. I mean, [unintelligible 00:15:07.00] our clients have been predominantly women, and we’re moving into the couples sector now… But what we uncovered was that this feeling of being extremely isolated in relationship. And I don’t mean isolated physically, I mean isolated in their mind. Locked in the cobwebs of past thoughts and experiences in the body… And where that takes you – it takes you to the space of feeling lonely all the time, unfulfilled, and exhausted. And those are the three major symptoms that we fell into, Jessica. This was not pretty, this union. This was like — the world was like “We’re going to make it super-messy, but the key ingredient for you too that we’re going to add is willingness. And this willingness is going to stare you down, and here’s the opportunity to essentially change the somatic experience and the cognitive of your life. The framework that you’ve lived or been trapped in for decades.”

Silver Storic: For generations…

Georgia Morley: Generations, never mind decades. Yeah. [laughter]

Silver Storic: Yeah, because I remember in our first four months together, Jessica, it felt like we’d been through six lifetimes of generational unraveling, as we were unraveling these subconscious triggers and patterns and programs, to just find a new way of opening up and being receptive to each other, and co-creating an environment where we can both be more together than we can be on our own… Instead of shrinking away into those dark places of isolation, which was the go-to places for Georgia and I in our previous relationships, which would create that disconnection, and pain and  suffering, ultimately.

Dr. Jessica Higgins: No kidding… And I’m wondering you’re open to sharing – had you guys done a level of personal growth work to be conscious to this prior to meeting? Because Georgia, as you’re talking about willingness – it feels like that’s a guiding light; it’s like a belief and a knowing… It doesn’t alleviate the pain along the journey, or even soothe it really, but it does allow for staying the course, and I wonder if you guys can speak to that.

Georgia Morley: Yeah… I mean, in my marriage to my wasband, I tried every which way to access that, and so did he… And the truth of my experience in that was we didn’t have that level of self-development, or — I was coming through sobriety, I’m 14 years sober, and we were struggling in many areas of our life… There wasn’t this awareness of what we could move through together. I didn’t have the language of relating in my narrative; I didn’t understand. And I had seen a lot of therapists, I had done many modalities; I had been a part of many modalities, and finally, I moved into more somatic experiencing, and understanding what my body was remembering, and why I was so stuck in a triggered state, basically, for most of my adult life.

So by the time I met Silver – an answer to your question – I was like “Okay, we have two choices here. I can take this accumulative experience of my life, and all I’ve learned, and all I’ve lost, and I can use it with this man who was literally mirroring the same experience.” He was like, “Okay, we’re ready. Let’s do this! Let’s engage.”

So if you don’t have that willingness or that experience of self-development or awareness in your life, in your framework, then yeah, it can be very hard to come out of the shadows and into the light.

Dr. Jessica Higgins: And Silver, what you were saying about the shrinking or the hiding, and these tendencies… Or Georgia, I would even imagine… I’m such a fan of somatic work; I just wanna underscore that, that it has been such a beautiful tool to get out of the storytelling and all the things we do intellectually… There’s such a direct access to some deep, profound information.

A lot of people are living in constriction, are living in this somatic tightening, or holding, or these different physiological states that just seem normal, because we’ve never really known anything different until we start embarking on exploring that a little bit more… But Silver, to what you were saying, it’s like — I guess I would love to know the same thing; it sounds like you had a sense of looking at your tendencies, and patterns, and being awake to more possibility too before meeting Georgia… Is that right?

Silver Storic: That’s right, that’s right. I’ve been on this road of evolution most of my life, and really, now I can see very clearly where that came from. Originally, it came from a shadow place or a coping mechanism that was created very early on in my childhood to be as perfect as I possibly could be. And that was really to disguise my loneliness as a child, and my isolation as a child. And coming from perfectionist parents, I always wanted to do everything right. So I was constantly working on myself throughout my whole life.

I’ve done 10-15 of self-development as I’ve been trying to find the answers… And now it’s very easy to understand that really all I was looking for, Jessica, was really the opportunity to feel. Because I was so incredibly stoic with my emotions that literally I was flatlining. There was really nothing below the center line, or the Equator, if you like. I was always trying to live above the line, and focus on positivity and being happy. Whenever I dipped below the line, I’d just numb out completely, emotionally.

And really, all I was looking for was authenticity, realness, and vulnerability, and being able to open up to my feelings. That’s been a long and arduous journey, and it’s still opening up day by day of what Georgia and I, as we access that trust, and knowing this, and different levels of willingness together.

Dr. Jessica Higgins: I’m curious if you can help, because I know everybody’s experience is different, but  you were really honest a little bit ago, a moment ago, around that it’s been messy, and there have been challenges… And I’m just thinking about potential listeners who are hearing us talk about having done some level of self-development work, and that that is a key. And I think it is a key, but I think it’s that black or white of a key. I’ll just say, I’ve been with my husband for almost 15– well, we haven’t been married for 15 years, but we’ve been in partnership for 15 years almost… And I’m still profoundly surprised, I guess — maybe not surprised, but just in awe of what continues to develop and deepen, and more capacity that is available, and what we’ve already done together.

I think I had been really committed to these more conscious partnership principles upon meeting him, so I was kind of awake to it, but it has not alleviated my pain or suffering, and I even wonder doubt… Because Georgia, you were saying a key distinction is the willingness, and to stay the path, and to kind of not get sucked into, as you were talking about, Silver, these tendencies or these patterns… Because when we’re so over-identified, we can lose perspective or lose ourselves, and lose the light, if you will… And I’m wondering if you guys can speak to that, and even how you coach others… Because I think that’s a real difficult place for people to navigate, in that it’s really common to question your partner, question the relationship, that it’s  not the right fit, or it’s incompatible, or something’s pathologically wrong with my partner… That type of thing.

Georgia Morley: Yeah, that’s such a great question…  I can feel it in my heart and I can feel it in my body, because I was always a leaver, Jessica. I was always one foot out the door, for fear of rejection, loss, abandonment, all those collective wounds that are so prevalent. And I saw that as being like “Well, if this isn’t right, then this isn’t right, and I’ll just leave.” And I saw myself being quite indignant about that, like “There’s just something that’s better for me” or “I’m better suited to somebody else.” And so I wanna preface that by saying that there are unhealthy patterns in relationship that are not things that one can move through. They’re frequently referred to as toxic patterns, or abusive patterns… So it’s important to acknowledge that those are real, and that those relationships are best navigated away from.

And there is however another aspect which we deal with on a regular basis, and that is these unhealthy patterns that show up. A lot of people, because of this sort of disposable culture that we’re in in relationship at this point in history, people tend to just turn and run when faced with these mirrored shadow aspects in relating. So I knew that I had to stay, I had to learn to stay. I had to learn to sit in the pain, I had to learn to — uh, I get emotional just saying that… I had to learn to expand, and to see this human in front of me who was also grappling with expansion… And to love him through it, and to love myself through it.

This is the platform that we work  within for women, and we’ve recently opened up our programming to men in couples, to support them in being in their bodies enough to know what healing can feel like; and that when they’re in relationship, they can stay to experience that healing with another. We call that love leadership in relationship. That’s basically the cornerstone of our work.

Silver Storic: Yeah, it’s super-powerful. We’re all grappling with this thing called relationship in our minds, as you know, Jessica. We’re isolating  in our minds and our heads, just trying to work it all out. It’s like, “I’ve gotta work this out. There’s gotta be a different way.” And then it’s so easy to fall into those comfort zones of doing the same thing and getting the same result over and over again, and being comfortable in pain and suffering. That becomes the norm. That’s when we’ve got a big problem in relationships… And that’s really why early on in our relationship, Jessica, we had this phrase of going to the edge, this vision of going to the edge… And it was really prominent for us over and over again. We would test the edge. We’d go right there, we’d peer over the cliff and we’d feel that wobble, and we’d be like, “Whoa… Okay, what’s beyond the edge?” And that’s really where the growth is and the transformation is, as uncomfortable as it can be.”

So it was really embracing the discomfort that created the growth for us in our relationship. And as we guide our clients back into their hearts and back into their bodies and their feeling state, with what we call embodied/learned intimacy, that becomes integrated into their system, so that they can feel the emotions that they’ve been denying themselves for so long, they inevitably find peace.

Georgia Morley: Yeah, thank you, honey. I just love that so much. I just wanna stack on that for one second… And that is in all that thinking, all that deliberating, all that “This is right, this is wrong, this is up, this is down, this is black, this is white” – it gets removed; all that traumatic cognition, that weighing of pros and cons, and trying to figure things out… It leaves the picture, and what you’re left with is feeling, and being in  your body, and being in your present moment, versus the past or the future.

Silver Storic: And embracing all the things, all the aspects of life, of relationship, and of oneself… The dark and the light. That’s where wholeness lies, as you know.

Dr. Jessica Higgins: Well, that might actually answer my question… I was hoping that — you know, when you were talking, Georgia, that you could give some listeners an understanding of how to potentially tell the difference, or what it feels like to discern between toxicity and staying the course or being willing to confront and tolerate some of the pain… And then Silver, as you were talking about, around going to the edge, and this precipice of what you’ve known before… That’s kind of how I experience it, but I wonder if you’d be able to elaborate a little bit about what the edge is for you guys, or what that means in your framework… But then I’m wondering if you answered the first question, which was this embodied practice that helps people access something deeper than the thinking, like you were saying, Georgia. So would  you be willing to kind of follow up on that?

Georgia Morley: Yeah. Beautiful, I love that. I suppose we shifted the narrative away from doing the work. What we realized was that people were perpetually doing the work; the work, the work, the work. And we realized that there was this coming into practice. That life is really just one big practice. And that you could discern what was healthy practice by getting a deeper knowing of intimacy within yourself, so you know what your values are, you know what is okay, what feels good for you and what does not, first and foremost. And then from there you can discern this healthy practice of leaning in towards the edge, and peering into a new experience. Peering into “Okay, I can turn back away from the edge and do what I’ve done before, or I can lean into this discomfort.” Standing on the edge of anything – it doesn’t make me feel very secure.

Silver Storic: It’s scary.

Georgia Morley: It’s scary. So we saw this opportunity to first and foremost really understand the intimate knowing of yourself. That’s this embodied/learned intimacy that we talk about. It really has to be a learned behavior, because we aren’t taught the intimate knowing of ourselves throughout our lives. We just aren’t. There’s no books, nobody teaches it to us in school, so it really has to be a learned behavior. And then the practice of that experience, and your values aligned, and how you can discern what’s healthy and what’s not for you… And then really lean into shifting those patterns in your life. So that would be my summarization there and support.

Silver Storic: As humans, we’ve become incredibly comfortable with pain and suffering, and warmth and our cozy little home…

Georgia Morley: And apathy, complacency…

Silver Storic: Yeah… And things that don’t necessarily serve us that well. I’m really fascinated about  how we can train ourselves to be more uncomfortable, because that really is where the growth is. And even if it starts with just taking cold showers… I love the analogy of cold showers, because when you’re in the hot shower, as you know, Jessica, in the morning, you can stay in there for half an hour or an hour, and just be like “Oh yeah, this is so great. I don’t really wanna go to work today. I’d just love to go back to bed and just be all warm and cozy…” But as soon as you switch that dial to freezing cold,  you feel so alive. You’re like, “Whoa, oh my god! Okay, woof!” And then  – yeah, life is so much easier. And even if you go outside after a cold shower and it’s freezing cold outside, you actually feel warm.

So it’s training ourselves to be more uncomfortable. And in relationship, it’s really catching ourselves when we’re about to do things the same way, and really saying in that moment “How can I do something different? How can I really shake things up here? How can I really push the edge of what I’ve been doing before?”

Georgia Morley: I have a very short, funny story to share…

Silver Storic: Oh, yeah?

Georgia Morley: Yeah, yeah. Very short. What you’re sharing, honey, reminds me of the moment that I — I did try to at one point back out of our relationship, Jessica. I was standing in the kitchen and I said “Alright, fine. Well, you should just go off and date other women, and that’ll solve all of this issue.” I was in that triggered state of saving myself from rejection. I was retreating back from the edge. And I’m sure the listeners can relate. I was like, “Yeah, I’m just gonna take control of this.”

Silver Storic: And you were saying, “I’m done. I’m completely out.”

Georgia Morley: “I’m done, and I’m out, and it’s over… Away you go now.” And he stood there, and he took a deep breath, and he said “Wow. Tell me more about that.” [laughs] I was like, “Wow…” This space-holding was amazing. He removed his personal experience from it. Which, you know, that’s ninja-like relating, basically. And everyone is capable of it when we really learn the intimate details of ourselves, and our partner, and our experience.

Yeah, so it’s really powerful… But I remember just being shocked, and being like, “Whoa…! He’s not buying it.”

Silver Storic: I was like, “This is great. This is so real. I love it! Tell me more.”

Dr. Jessica Higgins: There’s so much to that… That’s so beautiful, and I love that you have an example to just illustrate what can be the container that you’re saying he was holding for you, but also the expansion in that, because it doesn’t just get truncated and reaction-reaction-reaction, and then it blows up, right? And it’s so interesting, Silver – as you’re talking, it feels as though there’s an irony to this comfort-seeking, that that’s where we’re gonna experience the pleasure and all the goodness… But actually, what you’re describing is very counter-intuitive, that sometimes when we can go beyond, or lean in, or expand that edge, there’s more than we’ve ever even dreamed of, perhaps.

Silver Storic: A thousand percent, Jessica. A thousand percent. And it’s so much more exciting… And it’s less predictable, which makes it more fun and more joyful and more adventurous. And most of us have that adventure deep inside us… And that’s where we’re gonna get adventure, going to the edge over and over again, and getting uncomfortable.

Dr. Jessica Higgins: Right. Because even Georgia as you’re giving this really clear example, most of us can imagine the script of “Go date other women. I’m done, I’m out”, this whole thing, and what would happen next… But this idea of like “Oh, tell me more.” It’s like, “Oh, what happens next?” It’s an adventure of like “What else is here?”

Georgia Morley: Yeah, absolutely. He had two choices – he could find the incongruencies and defensively listen to me and be like “What are you talking about?”, which is how I think many people experience when they’re in reaction, when their body is reacting… And the truth is we have it every moment, the ability to change that neural pathway, to shift into a more baseline, calm central nervous system by just using breathe, pause, breathe and response, versus that reaction state. And we literally change — you can change the course of your relating dynamic in that moment by practicing that.

Silver Storic: And change the course of your life.

Georgia Morley: Yeah. Like, suddenly, that’s done. Suddenly, I never did that again. Suddenly, you have the ability to work through some of the biggest challenges in your life in relationship. Not all of them. Some of them you need to do autonomously. Others, you really can work through together. And that’s the beauty of that.

Dr. Jessica Higgins: Well, I know we’re getting close to the end of our time with you guys, but it’s such a gift that you guys have such embodied practices, and you mentioned love leadership, and you mentioned this deep, intimate knowing of the self… I don’t know if I have the words exactly right…

Georgia Morley: Yeah, it’s perfect.

Dr. Jessica Higgins: Okay, good. I’m listening… [laughter] But I’m wondering if there’s a way to give us a taste of — I know that even touching into the somatic can be a really larger experience, and it can also be a drop-in…  Is there anything that you would like to share with us today around how to access the somatic, and either the individual knowing, or the love leadership? I know you have a wealth of knowledge and work that you guide and coach and give people resources in, but I just wondered if there’s a taste to share.

Silver Storic: Yeah, why don’t you share about embodied/learned intimacy? Because this is Georgia’s genius. Instead of giving people tools and tips and tricks that they have to remember or they have to find somewhere, Georgia has really pioneered this embodied/learned intimacy that actually integrates into our clients’ systems… So I’d love you to share on that.

Georgia Morley: Oh, thanks, honey. That’s great. Yeah, at the risk of sounding a bit woo-woo, I’m going to start by saying a lot of it was really channeled… And the order in which we reveal it to our clients over 14 weeks in our program Love Life Legacy was really instinctual. It came from a culmination of my trainings and credentials, and then also just what really came through me.

There are three pillars that I can share with your listeners, and that is they are Courage, Maturity, and Grace, that we really support our clients to come into. So the Art of Embodied/Learned Intimacy is really about at every moment in your present moment experience of life, coming back to the way you feel, the way you move, the way you hear the sound of your voice, and the way your skin feels, the way you move in this moment, is really basically it.

And the courage part starts with becoming radically responsible for your own experience, your own behaviors. The maturity part is really letting go of some of the ways in which we relate to inner child and really calling in the woman, really feeling into that woman that is within your body… And then the grace part is being able to ripple that out  into all aspects of your life – how you expand in all aspects of your life.

So it might sound a bit esoteric, but the truth is it changes your experience of life. You are  no longer looking through the filters of your past, you’re very present to your experience of yourself, and then, of course, that soul-powered partnership or that teammate in love that you wish to have in your life… And when asked, most people do want that relationship, they still do So yeah, I think it starts – I know it starts – with these three pillars of Courage, Maturity and Grace.

Dr. Jessica Higgins: Beautiful. Thank you both for sharing that. I can feel the resonance, and it also feels like another invitation that might be counter to what people are habitually doing… Being so focused on the external, or how do I look, or how are they perceiving what I said, and all of this external, but really bringing the presence and the mindfulness and the awareness and the embodied experience and the power within that – I can feel how beautiful and just what a transformation that offers people to orient from that place, so thank you for giving us a little taste of that.

Georgia Morley: Our pleasure, of course.

Dr. Jessica Higgins: Well, for people listening that wanna contact you or engage with your programs and what you’re offering, can you share a little more?

Silver Storic: Absolutely. The best way to contact us is through or website, which is LoveLifeLegacy.global. We have that free training there for women, along with many interviews with graduate clients, which are really exceptional examples of how people can completely transform their lives within a very short period of time. 14 weeks is pretty short when it comes to self-development… But it really can result in rapid, rapid transformation. So that’s really the best way. And what’s our Facebook?

Georgia Morley: We have Relationship Mentorship With Georgia Morley and Silver Storic. That’s our public group.

Silver Storic: Yeah, just reach out and connect.

Dr. Jessica Higgins: Wonderful. I’ll make sure to put those links on today’s show notes. And out of curiosity, in addition to your program, do you do — it sounds like you also do coaching? Or do you coach within the program primarily?

Georgia Morley: Yeah, we have our coaching program for women, which is 14 weeks, and has coaching calls included in the program. And then we also launched our couples program this year. We do one-on-one with couples, but we are moving into a more group coaching style facilitation, because the transformation is just remarkable when we’re working in co-creation with others… And then we also have our men’s programs – [unintelligible 00:44:20.19] Our men’s program is launching. Those two programs are new to this year.

Dr. Jessica Higgins: I love that you have a men’s program, because I just find — I have a lot of men clients, and I know there’s a lot of mail listeners, and just really supporting men in the development as well is just so key, so thank you for that. Wonderful. Well, it’s been a real honor and privilege to share this time with you today. Thank you for joining us.

Georgia Morley: Thank you so much.

Silver Storic: Thank you all for listening, and thank you, Jessica, for inviting us on the show.

Georgia Morley: Thank you so much. So honored… Thank you.

I hope you have enjoyed today’s interview, again, with Georgia Morley and Silver Storic. Again, if you would like access to today’s show notes, you can visit DrJessicaHiggins.com, click on Podcast there in that top navigation bar, and you’ll find all the episodes listed there. Again, today’s episode is 265, “How to break through relationship fears with your significant other.” Again, they’re really sharing their personal story, and also sharing some of the principles and practices that they work with in coaching and supporting others along this journey of breaking through old patterns.

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